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HoJle said:
Alin pong true bible ang tinutukoy mo kaibigan na kinapapalooban ng Taurat at Injeel, paki-elaborate lang po.
Nasa denial stage ka ba searchman?
Di mo ba alam na may Bible or Holy Bible?
HoJle said:
Sa verse na ito sa Qur-an, di ba nagpapatunay na Mahalaga pa si Jesus kaysa iba pang mga propeta dahil Sya mismo ay pinahalagahan ni Allah base sa verse na ito?
HoJle said:
Meron pa pala akong tanong na di pa nasagot:
does ISLAM preach about salvation?
I whom?
And ISLAM ba nagtuturo kung paano malinis ang kasalanan at sino ang makakalinis nito?
HoJle said:
mukhang may na-delete dito. di ko na mahanap.
searchman said:
kazuki_kitsune, sorry po hindi ko ma-entertain ang mga post mo diyan kasi hindi po tanong iyan kundi kinuha mo lang sa hindi Islam sources kaya nabanggit mo diyan ang GREATEST PROPHETS, please magbasa na lang po kayo sa sagot ko kay Hojie...
I don't know kung puwede po dito ang diskusisyon, sa pagkaka-alam ko kasi sa thread ni kapatid na Agamulak or Junputik ay "ating Alamin ang Islam" so para lang malaman ninyo ang Islam at hindi po para makipagdiskusisyon unless mayroon po ditong debate thread para doon natin pag-usapan iyan.
Maraming salamat po at kapayapaan sa ating lahat!
kazuki_kitsune said:
searchman said:
kazuki_kitsune, sorry po hindi ko ma-entertain ang mga post mo diyan kasi hindi po tanong iyan kundi kinuha mo lang sa hindi Islam sources kaya nabanggit mo diyan ang GREATEST PROPHETS, please magbasa na lang po kayo sa sagot ko kay Hojie...
I don't know kung puwede po dito ang diskusisyon, sa pagkaka-alam ko kasi sa thread ni kapatid na Agamulak or Junputik ay "ating Alamin ang Islam" so para lang malaman ninyo ang Islam at hindi po para makipagdiskusisyon unless mayroon po ditong debate thread para doon natin pag-usapan iyan.
Maraming salamat po at kapayapaan sa ating lahat!
db topic d2 "ating alamin ang islam" so this means lahat lahat ng bagay tungkol sa islam.. including muhammad.. life of muhammad which nasimula ang islam (sa pagkakaalam ko)... his teachings and his doings am i right... and also kung tamang religion ang islam db?
kung hindi masasagot yung mga tanong ko dun i dont think anyone can answer that right even the arabs here na nakakausap ko (which is game makipag usap tungkol kay jesus at muhammad particularly) ay di masagot yan. (and they are frustrated by that) di naman sila nagalit pagkat they are a good friend of mine in work and they encourage me to convert to islam kaya nagreresearch ako tungkol dito.. and syempre di lang islam site ang binibisita ko pati na rin ang hindi islam site na nagaaral kung ano talaga ang islam... may punto ba ko mga kapatid?
i admit na nakuha ko yan sa hindi islam site but i think the contents of that is correct
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dont get me wrong i have nothing agains muslims... i just want to get some good answers to my question.. straight to the point.. hindi yung pa ligoy ligoy pa
so here is another one question
ang islam ba ay tinayo mismo ng Diyos or ni Muhammad only?
saan nangaling an quran? totoo ba na ito ay binubuo din ng original contents ng holy bible na iniba at dinagdagan ni muhammad? hindi ba nakasulat sa holy bible na hindi dapat baguhin ang nakasulat?
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“ASH-HADU ANLA ILAHA ILLA-ALLAH WA ASH-HADU ANNA MOHAMMADAN RASULU-ALLAH”.
“I bear witness that there is no deity (none truly to be worshipped) but, Allah, and I bear witness that Mohammad is the messenger of Allah.”
Bakit ninyo nasabing denial stage po ako, ang alam ko kasi na kasulatan ay pawang salitang galing sa Diyos at hindi po ng tao.
Bakit mo naman nasabing mahalaga si Hesus sa ibang propheta, anyway kapatid na Hojie iyong kinota ninyong talata na 3:52-55 ay kulang kaya ilagay natin ng buo ano po.
3:52. When Jesus found Unbelief on their part He said: "Who will be My helpers to (the work of) Allah." Said the disciples: "We are Allah.s helpers: We believe in Allah, and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims.
3:53. "Our Lord! we believe in what Thou hast revealed, and we follow the Messenger. then write us down among those who bear witness."
3:54. And (the unbelievers) plotted and planned, and Allah too planned, and the best of planners is Allah.
3:55. Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.
Basahin po ninyong mabuti ang kabuuan ng talata kapatid.
Lahat naman po yata ng relihiyon ay ipinapangaral ang kaligtasan ng sinuman, ang tanong po ay anong kaligtasan mayroon tayo. Ito po ang sabi ng Koran:-
Then those whose balance (of good deeds) is heavy,- they will attain salvation:
( سورة المؤمنون , Al-Mumenoon, Chapter #23, Verse #102)
But any that (in this life) had repented, believed, and worked righteousness, will have hopes to be among those who achieve salvation.
( سورة القصص , Al-Qasas, Chapter #28, Verse #67)
For those who believe and do righteous deeds, will be Gardens; beneath which rivers flow: That is the great salvation, (the fulfilment of all desires),
( سورة البروج , Al-Burooj, Chapter #85, Verse #11)
Sino po ang maglilinis ng kasalanan ayon sa salita ng Allah diyan kapatid na Hojie upang makamtan ang kaligtasan?
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Ho(ly)J(ESUS for)l(ife)e(ternal)
Holy Father, give us the spirit to understand Your words. Give us The Spirit to faithfully follow it. Lord come and reign! Free and save all Filipino brothers! Through Your Holy and Mighty Name JESUS we pray.Ame3X
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“ASH-HADU ANLA ILAHA ILLA-ALLAH WA ASH-HADU ANNA MOHAMMADAN RASULU-ALLAH”.
“I bear witness that there is no deity (none truly to be worshipped) but, Allah, and I bear witness that Mohammad is the messenger of Allah.”
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Ho(ly)J(ESUS for)l(ife)e(ternal)
Holy Father, give us the spirit to understand Your words. Give us The Spirit to faithfully follow it. Lord come and reign! Free and save all Filipino brothers! Through Your Holy and Mighty Name JESUS we pray.Ame3X
HoJle said:
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3:55. Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.
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pero kapatid, di po ba ang paglilinis ng kasalanan ay sa pamamagitan ng dugo para tayoy magiging karapatdapat sa langit at hindi sa "narka".
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“ASH-HADU ANLA ILAHA ILLA-ALLAH WA ASH-HADU ANNA MOHAMMADAN RASULU-ALLAH”.
“I bear witness that there is no deity (none truly to be worshipped) but, Allah, and I bear witness that Mohammad is the messenger of Allah.”
HoJle said:
searchman, hintayin ko response mo ha?
kazuki_kitsune said:
ok junputik and searchman.. you guys made your point "BUT" di parin convincing.. i have so many questions regarding what you guys are posting but kukulangin ang site na to sa mga tanong ko..
kazuki_kitsune said:
and how about my other post who can answer that
kc sabi ng mga muslim jesus is not a son of God and is just only a Prophet na marami naman na nagpapatunay sa bible na sya ay anak ng Diyos.. and about Muhammad naman is he a true prophet... ang tunay na propheta ba ay sumusuway sa kautusan ng Diyos (ten commandments) pagpatay, pagaasawa ng madami even a young girl.
just see my other post (comparison of Jesus and muhamad..
kazuki_kitsune said:
maybe this will be my last post here in this topic madami kc ako trabaho sa office dont get me wrong guys.. i have respect sa lahat ng paniniwala ng bawat tao at sa kanilang religion.. its just that i have billions of questions in each and every one of them (lahat ng relihiyon) even in my own religion (roman catholic po ako and forever will be) i have questions to but... eto ang hindi ako magaalinlangan, sa paniniwala ko sa Diyos ama ,Anak at Espirito santo
kazuki_kitsune said:and about Muhammad naman is he a true prophet... ang tunay na propheta ba ay sumusuway sa kautusan ng Diyos (ten commandments) pagpatay, pagaasawa ng madami even a young girl.
kazuki_kitsune said:
ok junputik and searchman.. you guys made your point "BUT" di parin convincing.. i have so many questions regarding what you guys are posting but kukulangin ang site na to sa mga tanong ko..
and how about my other post who can answer that
kc sabi ng mga muslim jesus is not a son of God and is just only a Prophet na marami naman na nagpapatunay sa bible na sya ay anak ng Diyos.. and about Muhammad naman is he a true prophet... ang tunay na propheta ba ay sumusuway sa kautusan ng Diyos (ten commandments) pagpatay, pagaasawa ng madami even a young girl.
just see my other post (comparison of Jesus and muhamad..
maybe this will be my last post here in this topic madami kc ako trabaho sa office dont get me wrong guys.. i have respect sa lahat ng paniniwala ng bawat tao at sa kanilang religion.. its just that i have billions of questions in each and every one of them (lahat ng relihiyon) even in my own religion (roman catholic po ako and forever will be) i have questions to but... eto ang hindi ako magaalinlangan, sa paniniwala ko sa Diyos ama ,Anak at Espirito santo
kazuki_kitsune said:
Homura said:
A question to Muslims,
How and what do you consider Jesus christ as?
I heard somewhere that you do consider him as a prophet or something? Because there are other religions that consider him to be a holy man.
im a roman catholic and will be forever
im working here in saudi and sa mga tanong ko sa mga saudi na taga d2 (mga arabo) at pagbabasa sa mga leaflets na nagkalat sa mall they consider jesus as a prophet not a holy man or son of God.. and kay mohamad naman they consider him as the greatest of prophet....
take a look at this
A Comparison between Jesus and Muhammad
Following is a chart that shows some of the strong differences between Jesus and Mohammed. The Muslims revere Mohammed as the greatest of prophets, yet Jesus clearly demonstrated greater authority, teaching, and miracles than Mohammed ever did. Why would anyone want to follow Mohammed over Jesus when Jesus claimed to be divine, performed many miracles, said he alone was the truth, raised people from the dead, and rose from the dead himself and Mohammed did none of these things. However, Mohammed did have people killed, spread his religion through war, married a very young girl and had relations with her when she was nine years of age, and taught hatred of Jews and Christians.
Jesus and Muhammad
Jesus died and rose from the dead, Muhammad died and stayed dead.
Jesus never fought, Muhammad fought many many times
When Jesus heard from God he went to the desert to be tempted and began his ministry with boldness, (Mark 1:14-15). When Muhammad heard from God (supposedly through an angel) he cowered, was uncertain, and wanted to commit suicide (Quran 74:1-5)
Jesus claimed to be God (John 8:24; 8:58) as well as a man.
Jesus claimed to be the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6). Muhammad claimed to be a man.
Instructions Received From God the Father (John 5:19) Allegedly from an angel
Jesus never killed anyone Muhammad killed many
Life Jesus had the power to take life, but never did. He restored it, Muhammad had the power to take it, but he never restored it.
No one ever died in Jesus' presence Many people died in Muhammad's presence -- he killed them.
Marriage Jesus never married Muhammad had over 20 wives and even married a nine year old girl.
Jesus received his calling from God directly (Matt. 3:17).
Jesus received his commission in the daylight
Muhammad allegedly received it from an angel (Gabriel)
Muhammad received his words in the darkness of a cave.
Jesus taught for 3 1/2 years, Muhammad taught for more than 20 years (is his teachings all true and accurate?)
Jesus performed many miracles including healing people, calming a storm with a command, and raising people from the dead, Muhammad's only alleged miracle was the Quran.
(Quran is bases on our original bible)
Jesus fulfilled biblical prophecy about being the Messiah Muhammad did not fulfill any biblical prophecy except the ones about false teachers (Matt. 24:24).
Jesus voluntarily laid his life down for others, Muhammad saved his own life many times and had others killed.
Jesus never sinned (1 Pet. 2:22), Muhammad was a sinner (Quran 40:55; 48:1-2)
Jesus owned no slaves, Muhammad owned slaves.
Jesus was virgin born,Muhammad was not virgin born.
Jesus received and heard the direct voice of God (Mark 1:10-11) Muhammad did not receive or hear the direct voice of God. It was an angel instead (this info regarding muhhamad talking to an angel is according to him... how do you know that it is realy an angel from God and not the devil)
Jesus spoke well of women, Muhammad said women were 1/2 as smart as men (Hadith 3:826; 2:541), that the majority in hell will be women (Had. 1:28,301; 2:161; 7:124), and that women could be mortgaged.
There is no comparison between Jesus and Muhammad. Muhammad falls so far short that he cannot be held on any level remotely close to Jesus. Muhammad is clearly inferior to Christ.
http://www.carm.org/religious-movements/islam/comparison-between-jesus-and-muhammad
how can you say mohammad is a great person or a prophet when he commited many sins??
i have read and research the life of muhhamed and it was a quite shocking in my part... killed many people.... marry many girls including a young girl.. false teachings... he even encourage his people to kill for their religion which is not the teaching of jesus (Thou Shall Not Kill)
are you sure he was not one of the false prophet that was said by the other prophet and jesus himself that will spread false beliefs (beware of false prophet)
this is the question that was lingering in my mind about muslim religion... as of now no one can answer these question of mine...
how can you say propheta nga sya kung lahat ng information na nagpakita si angel gabriel sa kanya ay galing sa kanya mismo saka sino ang nagpatunay na nagpakita ang anghel sa kanya
at ang quran papano nyo sasabihin na kay angel gabriel nga nangaling yun?? sino ang nagsabi db si muhammad din lang??
papano papatunayan na propheta sya? di kaya he just made it himself??
this is just a questions... sorry sa mga muslims d2 i just want to state this.. simula kc ng nagpunta ako d2 sa saudi kung saan nagmula ang muslim religion.. madami ng tanong sa isip ko dahil sa mga di ka aya ayang nakikita ko sa mga muslim d2 (Arabs)
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“ASH-HADU ANLA ILAHA ILLA-ALLAH WA ASH-HADU ANNA MOHAMMADAN RASULU-ALLAH”.
“I bear witness that there is no deity (none truly to be worshipped) but, Allah, and I bear witness that Mohammad is the messenger of Allah.”
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Ho(ly)J(ESUS for)l(ife)e(ternal)
Holy Father, give us the spirit to understand Your words. Give us The Spirit to faithfully follow it. Lord come and reign! Free and save all Filipino brothers! Through Your Holy and Mighty Name JESUS we pray.Ame3X
HoJle said:
di nyo pa nasagot ito:
di ba may paglilinis ng mga kasalanan para hindi mapupunta sa narka? at di ba sa pamamagitan lang ito ng dugo? so paano nyo mapapalinis ang inyong mga kasalanan? nagkakatay pa ba kayo ng mga hayop?
HoJle said:
di nyo pa nasagot ito:
di ba may paglilinis ng mga kasalanan para hindi mapupunta sa narka? at di ba sa pamamagitan lang ito ng dugo? so paano nyo mapapalinis ang inyong mga kasalanan? nagkakatay pa ba kayo ng mga hayop?
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“ASH-HADU ANLA ILAHA ILLA-ALLAH WA ASH-HADU ANNA MOHAMMADAN RASULU-ALLAH”.
“I bear witness that there is no deity (none truly to be worshipped) but, Allah, and I bear witness that Mohammad is the messenger of Allah.”
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74:30 Above it are nineteen.
M A R Y
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