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Jun 28, 2010 10:26 am    
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Lumaban daw kaya napatay ang suspect

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Cops close in on seaman's robber-killers via CCTV06/18/2010 | 07:41 AM

Share A closed-circuit television footage may bring justice for a seaman who was shot dead in a mugging incident in Manila Thursday.

Radio dzBB on Friday reported the Manila Police District is using the CCTV footage taken in San Andres district to track the killers of Edralin Amon, 49.

Two motorcycle-riding robbers snatched Amon's jewelry, and then shot him after he tried to go after them in the Singalong area.

Amon would have been deployed abroad next month.

Initial investigation showed Amon was talking with a fellow seaman in the area when the motorcycle-riding robbers showed up and snatched his jewelry.

When Amon tried to fight them off and go after them, they shot him. Bystanders rushed him to a nearby hospital but he was declared dead on arrival. — LBG, GMANews.TV



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http://www.gmanews.tv/largevideo/latest/62119/saksi-alleged-gunman-who-killed-seaman-in-manila-now-in-custody-of-mpd
Saksi: Alleged gunman who killed seaman in Manila now in custody of MPD
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Seaman's suspected killer shot dead in 'escape' try06/24/2010 | 07:49 AM


A suspect in the robbery-killing of a seaman in Manila last week was shot dead Wednesday night, while supposedly being taken to the prosecutor's office for inquest.

But while police suspect Ronald Sevilla was shot while trying to "escape," his parents suspect he may have been salvaged, or summarily executed.

"Nakita ko may tama tatlong beses sa ulo ...binaril ng pulis (I saw that he had three gunshot wounds in the head. The police deliberately shot him)," Sevilla's mother Corazon said, in an interview aired on dzBB radio early Thursday.

Mrs. Sevilla said her son was brought out of the Manila Police District (MPD) Station 5 at about 4 p.m. to undergo inquest at the Manila City Hall.

The younger Sevilla was arrested hours earlier for the robbery-killing of seaman Edralin Amon, 49, Thrusday last week. [See: Cops close in on seaman's robber-killers via CCTV]

But when he failed to return after five hours, Mrs. Sevilla asked her husband go to City Hall to check on their son.

She said they later learned Ronald was rushed to the Philippine General Hospital following an "accident." Ronald died at about 10 p.m. Wednesday, the dzBB report said.

"Naaksidente, sabi ng pulis (Police claimed it was an accident)," Mrs. Sevilla said.

For his part, MPD deputy for operations Senior Superintendent Fidel Posadas said an investigation is now ongoing, but said Sevilla may have been shot because he tried to "escape."

"Ito ay nanlaban. Ito ay nakaposas subali't alam ninyo naman kung saka-sakaling ang isang tao na masama ang iniisip at masama ang loob gagawa ng paraan upang makatakas (He might have tried to fight. Even if he was handcuffed, you know how a person with evil intentions would act to escape)," Posadas said in a separate interview on dzBB.

He also said that while the incident is under investigation, the two police escorts assigned to Sevilla will not be suspended for now. He did not name the two escorts.

Posadas said the two will be presumed innocent and will be allowed to continue their regular duties.

"May presumption of regularity in the performance of official duty. Kung may nagawang mali lilitaw ito. Kung mapatunayang sila ay nagkasala ituturing silang mga suspect at makukulong din (There is a presumption of regularity in the performance of official duties. But if the two did something wrong it will come out in the investigation and they will be properly dealt with)," he said.

But a later report by dzBB’s Carlo Mateo said the three police escorts will be investigated and disarmed if necessary. The report named the three as PO3 Jonathan Ruiz, PO3 Jerry Amores, and PO2 Erwin Campos.

Last week, two motorcycle-riding robbers snatched Amon's jewelry, then shot him after he tried to go after them in Singalong, Manila.

Amon would have been deployed abroad next month.

Initial investigation showed Amon was talking with a fellow seaman in the area when the motorcycle-riding robbers showed up and snatched his jewelry.


When Amon tried to fight them off and go after them, they shot him. Bystanders rushed him to a nearby hospital but he was declared dead on arrival. — LBG, GMANews.TV

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Jun 28, 2010 10:36 am   Edited : Jun 28, 2010 10:36 am    
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Lumaban daw kaya napatay ang suspect.

We will never know the real reason why he got shot. Case closed.

One thing's for sure. Even if the cop was telling the truth, people will still think differently because of the their bad reputation. Sad but true.

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Jun 28, 2010 10:49 am   Edited : Jun 28, 2010 10:49 am    
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gawan natin ng istorya to...

pakawala ng pulis yung suspect... meaning pulis ang mastermind ng robbery....

siempre tapos na ang trabaho kailangang malinis ang pangalan.. salvage... tapos ang kaso? (teka buhay pa yung isang holdaper... antayin natin sa news baka mapatay na rin)

Case closed.... malinis ang pangalan ng pulis parang yung nang yari lang sa may edsa (quezon city) isa or dalawang taon ang nakakaraan.... nalinis ang pangalan ng mga pulis.. CASE CLOSED

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Jun 28, 2010 10:53 am    
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funny kasi nakaposas ang suspect tapos nakapanlaban pa raw parang sa mga action na pelikula lang nanyayari yun ah, sana nga hinayaan na lang muna nilang malitis ang suspect at least kung siya talaga ang may sala e pagdusahan niya sa kulungan.

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Jun 28, 2010 10:59 am   Edited : Jun 28, 2010 11:13 am    
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Ano bang klaseng panlalaban ang ginawa? Nakaposas daw pala... sa harapan o sa likod ba nakaposas? The only thing na makakagawa ng matindi-tinding hostility ang suspect ay kung sa harapan nakaposas.

Sige nanlaban nga ang suspect. Does that justify shooting him in the head 3times?! Take note, naka posas yung suspect. A shot to the body or to any not so vital part would be enough I think. The fact na masyadong vague yung explanation ng pulis (read: lumaban daw) pati yung reasoning (read: tao na masama ang iniisip at masama ang loob gagawa ng paraan upang makatakas ) is enough for me to doubt if it was a valid thing to shoot the suspect.

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Jun 28, 2010 11:03 am    
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nakakalungkot nga e kasi may sabi sabi na nagbigay ng nakasobre ang mga naulila ng seaman noong panahong nahuli ang suspect e yun ang sabi sabi. kung hinayaan lang sana nila na malitis e di sana baka makapagturo pa ng ibang suspect o iba pang mga kasamahan niya. tama @ stankyou pwede naman sigurong barilin sa paa kung lumaban

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Jun 28, 2010 12:39 pm   Edited : Jun 28, 2010 12:40 pm    
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Hindi ako madalas nanonood ng news pero last week ito yung napanood ko. Matagal bago naalis ko siya sa isipan ko, mga ilang araw din. Kasi akalain mo yun sa dami ng tao dahil nasa may highway lang yata nung nangyari yung hold-up-pan at hindi naman siya gabi pero may guts pa silang gumawa nun. Tapos basta basta na lang pinatay yung ninakawan. Wala man lang hesitation. -_-

Ngayon ko na lang din nalaman na nahuli pala silang dalawang magnanakaw. Kung may foul play man, mali pa rin yung patayin sila. Kung nanlaban nga sana pinaralisa na lang muna nila.

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Jun 28, 2010 12:44 pm    
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this line sucks

Posadas said the two will be presumed innocent and will be allowed to continue their regular duties.

agree @stankyou & darkhorse, parang di maalam ng warning shot mga un. sa ulo p talga, 3!!
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Jun 28, 2010 01:04 pm    
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Kung napanuod niyo yung actual scene nung holdap eh maiintindihan niyo kung gano kasakit sa part nung Mother ng namatay (who allegedly gave an envelope to the Police) ang nangyari sa anak niya.
Hinoldap, binaril ng walang kalaban laban sa may batok, umaga pa nun gaya nga ng sabi ni mod blue. Tapos patay na yung tao nakuha pang hilahin ng isang holdaper yung bracelet sa braso.

Dun pa lang sa guts nung holdaper na pumatay sa gitna ng kalsada at umaga pa eh walang duda na kaya ulit niyan pumatay ng walang kalatoy latoy or pagaalinlangan. Nakakatakot ang mga taong ganyan kahit pa sabihing makukulong. And dun sa part na sinabi ng mga police na nanlaban, nakakapagtaka ba na gagawin niya yun? eh kung yung pumatay sa araw at walang hesitation nagawa niya eh, yun pa kayang mas madaling way na magtry tumakas.

I can see why yung nanay ng suspek eh affected, pero parang di rin niya inisip ang epekto para dun naman sa mga naiwan ng seaman and for sure she is still claiming na inosente ang anak niya wherein kitang kita sa CCTV cam ang identity nila.

For me, that was the right or obviously it wasn't right but it was at least the most ideal thing to do. Again para sakin yun at opinion ko un. Ang mga taong walang awa kung pumatay ng kapwa nila eh wala din karapatang mabuhay kahit pa sa kulungan.

It was just unfortunate that Police officers were involved with this. Nonetheless, if the suspects weren't killed on that instance, i'm sure some guys from bilibid will try doing it again.

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Jun 28, 2010 01:11 pm    
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nakakagulat din ang pangyayaring ito. sa totoo lang, noong napanood ko yun kuha ng CCTV, i immediately felt for the victim. parang gusto kong pumasok sa TV at dukutin sya for safety. tapos ako ang gi-gripo sa dalawang ungas na yun.

as for the suspect, what is this, bad fate? no. it's just not the right way to effect justice. warning shot na tatlo. at sa ulo pa.

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innocent until proven guilty di ba yun ang batas.,
What if kung talagang hindi siya ang tunay na salarin e di siya ang nagbayad ng hindi niya kasalanan so nasaan ang justice doon , naawa rin talaga ako sa biktimang seaman but nakakaawa rin ang suspect na hinusgahan agad.

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Jun 28, 2010 01:35 pm   Edited : Jun 28, 2010 01:37 pm    
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Meron kasi akong experience ng necklace snatching din. Fourth year high school ako nun eh tapos tanghaling tapat din. Ilang buwan kaya akong hindi napagawi sa lugar na yun. At simula rin noon, hindi na ako nagsusuot ng kwintas (napagalitan pa ko ng papa ko eh -_- ). Kaya nung nakita ko yung video napa OMG talaga ako (or actually it's O, my God take good care of us!) Kasi pwedeng mangyari kahit kanino yun eh. Kaya nga ilang araw talaga siya bago nawala sa isipan ko.

So may inabot palang envelope yung nanay ng biktima sa pulis "DAW". Posible din. Pero tingnan mo nga naman ano, ganun na lang pala kamura ang buhay natin; napapalitan ng kwintas o kaya isang envelope na pera (naalala ko yung ginawa ni boboboing eh sa Pakistani ^_^).

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Three against one and the suspect had metal bracelets? I think the suspect was wiped out.

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dark_horse said:
innocent until proven guilty di ba yun ang batas.,
What if kung talagang hindi siya ang tunay na salarin e di siya ang nagbayad ng hindi niya kasalanan so nasaan ang justice doon , naawa rin talaga ako sa biktimang seaman but nakakaawa rin ang suspect na hinusgahan agad.

Alam niyo wala namang pinagkaiba to sa kaso sa Maguindanao kung tutuusin. Ang nakakatawa lang, nung kainitan ng kasong yun eh lahat tayo kesyo "ibaon din ng buhay" , "pakain sa bwaya" or "isalvage" ang mga Ampatuan. Ni wala ni isa satin ang nagsabing wag niyo sila husgahan, dahil di pa naman napatunayan na sila nga, bakit? kase lahat ng scenario, piraso ng impormasyon, mga pagkakakilanlan, at motive eh ang mga Ampatuan ang tinuturo.

So ngayon na medyo di kalakihang balita pero pareho ng way ng pagpatay (senseless and merciless) eh gagamitan pa din ba natin ng salitang "malay mo di talaga sila"

Oo ganyan ang batas. Pero applicable lang yan para sakin sa mga kaso wherein walang matibay na ebidensya na nagtuturo sa isang suspek na sila nga ang pumatay.
Hindi na din applicable dito sir ang scenario na "What if di talaga siya ang tunay na salarin" dahil nakita sila sa CCTV eh. At bukod pa diyan, hindi lang ito ang una nilang biktima dahil according na din sa records ng mga pulis eh notorious na ang dalawa na yun at kilala talaga sa ganung way ng pagnanakaw.

Sa ganitong sitwasyon, malinaw na malinaw sa CCTV pa lang at pati na din sa mga existing records nila na sila yun.

Sa totoo lang, mas halang pa ang bituka ng mga toh kesa sa Ampatuan eh. Of course dun sa degree ng pagpatay eh wala ng sasahol pa sa mga nabanggit. Pero sa BABAW ng dahilan ng pagpatay eh parang mas halang pa nga tong mga suspek na toh.

Come to think of it, The Ampatuans killed for Power while this two freaks killed for a small amount of money. Aside from that, the latter killed their prey in front of everyone while the former still managed to hide their doings to avoid conflicts.

Ito lang naman eh mga opinyon ko lang ika nga ni pareng jingo, "sa ganang akin".

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Jun 28, 2010 02:15 pm   Edited : Jun 28, 2010 02:15 pm    
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uulitin ko innocent until proven guilty...
kahit ikaw pa mismo ang nakitang pumatay at kahit ang nagtuturo sa iyo ang mismong nakakita sa iyo sa mata ng batas inosente ka pa rin hangat hindi napapatunayan, kung mali ang gawang pagpatay sa anumang dahilan sa tingin mo ba tama ang ginawang paghuhusga na pagkitil ng buhay ng suspect.

Kahit sino pa siya kahit Ampatuan , Marcos, Aquino, Hitler
walang karapatang pumatay ng kapwa niya.

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The presumption of innocence (the principle that one is considered innocent until proven guilty) is a legal right of the accused in a criminal trial, recognised in many nations. The burden of proof is thus on the prosecution, which has to collect and present enough compelling evidence to convince the trier of fact, who is restrained and ordered by law to consider only actual evidence and testimony that is legally admissible, and in most cases lawfully obtained, that the accused is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. In case of remaining doubts, the accused is to be acquitted. This presumption is seen to stem from the Latin legal principle that ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat (the burden of proof rests on who asserts, not on who denies).

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