hshuka said:
Let me restate my point, as what I have said, senseless post for you might be interesting to others, such as for ex. I will discuss to you the theory of evolution, but since you are not a stranger with this theory, everything id tell you make no sense to you for you already knew it. But on the other hand, if will tell this theory to those not familiar with it, they would keep on listening to my discussions for it brings a lot of sense to them. As what haxel said “different stroke for different folks. The work of liberating our minds begins in an unlikely place not dissimilar to a small spring that bubbles up in the heart of a deep desert making it possible for mind to flourish in the midst of the dry sands around it.

*Sigh*

I guess we're both misunderstanding each other here.

When I say senseless, I am NOT referring to the example that you placed.

Posts such as "uu nga" or "ang talino nyo ah", when posted in this thread, for example, are evidently senseless.

That is what I am talking about. Please dont misconstrue my statements. I believe I had provided an example of this.

I understand your example perfectly, but please understand also that what is uninteresting is not the same as senseless. For example, if I went on to discuss Schroedinger's cat, that would be uninteresting. I dont believe that the definition "senseless" applies to that.

I believe that both of us were part of the previous TDP, wherein the definition of "spam" and "senseless post" were given out. Those are the definitions that I still follow.

But we seem to missing each other's points here.

What then is the definition of senseless? Would it be uninteresting? Or would it be mindless?

I hope that clarifies our definition of "senseless post".

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AdamantiumX said:
It is true that we may have different standards to follow in this virtual world but still, in this very community that we belong (TheDigitalPinoy), the admin imposed specific rules and guidelines to follow. Wala namang masama dun hindi ba? Otherwise, aling batas ang susundan natin? batas ng kagubatan?

Eli para namang di ka rin nag spam noon, let’s be honest here. Even some Moderators admit to the fact they commit the crime once in a while. I think almost all, if not all, of the members have posted a spam and did spamming once or a few times and a lot have already admitted to it, even if there are still spammers/super spammers who don’t (or can’t?) accept the fact that they are spammers.

And you know, during those times, nobody questioned you on what rules or regulations you were following when you did it. Maybe the “batas ng kagubatan”? Nobody even asked you to leave. Nobody is questioning you now. Forum lang, walang personalan.

In relation to the thread, I agree that TDP reflects the Filipino Community in a lot of ways, good and bad. Reminding that what we are referring to here is COMMUNITY (as oppose to a SOCIETY), that which is “a social group of organisms sharing an environment, normally with shared interests. In human communities, intent, belief, resources, preferences, needs, risks and a number of other conditions may be present and common, affecting the identity of the participants and their degree of cohesiveness.” Note that COMMUNITY “is perceived to be a tighter and more cohesive social entity within the context of the larger society, due to the presence of a "unity of will."

That being said, I think that as in a typical Filipino Community, we cannot always expect that good things will happen. The bad things are also a part of the community that shapes the personality of the members and how they interact with other “communities”. The interaction of members within the TDP community is just a part of other relationships the member has outside of the community.

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There is no trait of character more enriching than simple humility... suklay lang ang katapat ng matinding hangin...

spam would be spam, sometimes standards of men are different, i may have posted a one liner and my deepest apologies. i agree with feroza and hshuka.

yet it reflects my sentiments at that very moment. some feelings maybe said in a simple small talk.

when people are exhausted to exchange views to a certain subject then it would be uninteresting and a candidate for a no conversing at all.

a neglected thread is like building a house and a home yet nobody visits or appreciate its existence.

in this avenue of idea exchange i might say that in the real world, i begin to choose what topics to discuss after dinner or during drinking spree and pick something that people would relate too.

say for example: Genetically Modified Organisms, it is interesting to only few, thus with a bucket of beer i may choose to have the topic of more interesting things for all to participate it maybe how to make girls cry?

TDP makes me choose where the sentiments of the filipinos is and are.

I feel proud to be a filipino and the TDP community. spam or no spam, that is the real world. we can't just shoot, strangle a bystander by commenting "ok ang punto mo, one glass for the road."

in this virtual community, it is just nice that there are people who would remind us of what good conversation is and what is not.

each opinion is important and i believe that i together with this community will grow as responsible talky talker as filipinos is and are.

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I understand your example perfectly, but please understand also that what is uninteresting is not the same as senseless. For example, if I went on to discuss Schroedinger's cat, that would be uninteresting. I dont believe that the definition "senseless" applies to that.

Lets end up the argument.
I agree with your discussion that senseless and uninteresting is different.
But respect also my stand that once it is uninteresting, it brings no sense to me, therefore senseless.

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hshuka said:

Wala namang masama dun hindi ba? Otherwise, aling batas ang susundan natin? batas ng kagubatan?

We need to follow the rules of our own community, the system we belong to. If you can't, you can simply just get out of the system. It is as simple as that.

Ang sakit naman nito. Sorry if I found this notion perverse. Incongruous lines coming from a mod.

Oh, sorry if you find those lines inappropriate. But it is not what I am trying to say - that is, we are getting rid of members who don't follow the rules. No, it's not like that.

Para sa akin kasi, kung ayaw ko sa sistema, aalis ako dun. Why would I stay, if I can't abide by the rules and policies of a system? Ganun lang sa akin yun.

Dito kasi sa TDP, the rules were already defined by bloodredxxx (though he also asks for suggestions from members). Now, some of us, would not agree on the said rules. Some would ignore it and defy it. And some would do it deliberately. I remember there was a case na talagang nag-spam yung member dahil nabubura yung thread niya. His threads were deleted kasi nga against sa rules. He could have left na lang sana pero hindi. Instead he spammed all day - with multiple accounts. I hope you got my point there.

Haxel_nic said:

AdamantiumX said:
It is true that we may have different standards to follow in this virtual world but still, in this very community that we belong (TheDigitalPinoy), the admin imposed specific rules and guidelines to follow. Wala namang masama dun hindi ba? Otherwise, aling batas ang susundan natin? batas ng kagubatan?

Eli para namang di ka rin nag spam noon, let’s be honest here. Even some Moderators admit to the fact they commit the crime once in a while. I think almost all, if not all, of the members have posted a spam and did spamming once or a few times and a lot have already admitted to it, even if there are still spammers/super spammers who don’t (or can’t?) accept the fact that they are spammers.

And you know, during those times, nobody questioned you on what rules or regulations you were following when you did it. Maybe the “batas ng kagubatan”? Nobody even asked you to leave. Nobody is questioning you now. Forum lang, walang personalan.

Yep, nag-spam din naman kami noon, so? Malamang binura ng mga mod yun. I don't know. Pero hindi ako nag-amok sa site at nag-ngangawa kung bakit binubura posts ko at bakit ganito ang rules etc. Kung may problema ako sa TDP, inilalapit ko ito sa kinauukulan. From there, I'll just wait for their response.

Again, I am not asking anybody to leave. It is just we do have the option to leave.

Tsk! OT na naman niyan sasabihin ni Piggy, lol


out.

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Urahara has a point here...

I have been scrolling some threads for the past few days and sadly there are those who post a reply just to get some points and be able to download whatever they like... some of them post a reply to get items for boasting to other members..

But come to think of it, we can really never have what we want to happen here... you also mentioned in your thread that Filipinos here comes from all walks of life... they differ by age, by intelligence, by life status and so on and so forth...

Thus, we have different thinking here... different way of life... different mind setting and different priorities...

We can never expect from everybody to be responsible in terms of posting, we can never expect from everybody to post a worthwhile message in every post that they make, we can never expect from everybody to make sense to us because we all differ by our self standards...

I am not saying that spammers have the right to spam and spam whenever they want... it is just that admit it or not, all of us sometimes just want to loosen up and be somewhat happy go lucky... it is not also quite enjoyable to be stiff and always reflect that you are a very sensible person...

Being in the middle of two things I think is the best position to be in... We should bear in our minds that TDP is an internet site where everybody in the world can check and somehow observe what Filipinos really are... it is somehow our responsibility to be an accessory for it's growth and development... second we are also here in TDP to enjoy, be heard and express what we really feel, who we really are and what is our worth in this interactive site...

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OOoooooOOOooopppsssss wala wala wala waaahhhllaaa

after reading all the posts here, and honestly, i wasn't able to capture/understand all (i mean ALL) of your thoughts (& i never intended to anyway).

and yes, after going thru all these posts, i can say that TDP indeed is a looking glass to the Filipino community. and not only that, i can say that TDP is a Filipino community.

and as a Fiipino, (langhiya, ba't ako nag-i-english?)

ehem...

samo't-saring pinoy ang mababasa natin dito sa TDP. meron ngang mga responsable at walang pakialam. merong mga tahimik at may mga pinoy na di marunong bumulong. meron ding cute at may mga pinoy na di magpapatalo sa kapangitan. (kasama ako dun.) sa ganang akin, lahat tayo dito sa TDP and gma tambay - mga pinoy na malamang ay lumilipad ang isip mula sa disyertong kinalalagyan niya, at inuulila sila ng mga puno ng mangga sa likod-bahay nila sa probinsya. mayroon namang wala talagang magawa. (tulad ko na naman.) ika nga ni joey ayala, "magkabilaan ang mundo."

at ang mga binanggit na mga bangkas sa bawat nakasulat sa itaas ay puro tama, walang mali. nguni't isa lang ang kapansin-pansin, bakit natin pinupuna ang ibang mga tambay (ng TDP)? pinuna na ba natin ang ating mga sarili? (what i mean is that, have we reflected on ourselves yet?)

ito malamang ang isang kahinaan ng karamihan sa ating mga pinoy: wala tayong panahon upang umupo, magnilay, magmuni-muni at tanungin ang sarili kung ang pagpapahalaga meron tayo sa buhay.

at para sa akin, ang PINOY, tulad din ng iba pang mga nilalang ng mundo, ay may sariling pagkatao.

at liban pa dito'y sa larangan ng pagiging PINOY, may mga kontradiksyon ang bawat isa.

at ako, bilang PINOY, ay may sariling kontradiksyon.

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old habits die hard. tsk!

Urahara said:
TDP - A looking glass to the Filipino Community.
By Urahara

The Digital Pinoy or TDP as we call it is a virtual community that was founded by a man that goes by the avatar of “bloodredxxx”. He founded this virtual community with one goal in mind, to connect and bring together Filipinos from all over the world and from different walks of life. He envisioned that someday, through this virtual community, Filipinos will be able to connect and interact. Regardless of status, age, gender, and other obstacles that would normally hinder interaction. Did he succeed with his goal?

Yes, in retrospect, he actually succeeded with his goal. How? He connected people from UAE, to the Philippines, to California, to Germany, and so forth. With this in mind, we can successfully say that TDP is a good representation of the Filipino community, if not the prime example of the Filipino community since it is not biased to where it has members all over the world. We cannot say that it doesn’t represent the Filipino community since it has members from all over the world and from different walks of life.

A question to be raised, is TDP a looking glass to the Filipino community? Yes it is, we can clearly see what Filipinos are in this virtual community. A part of them are responsible, a part of them are intelligent, a part of them are belligerent, a part of them are dense, and a good part of them are dimwitted. You may come up to me and say that I am mean. Forgive my honesty but that is what they are. Let me ask you, how great is this site that it offers you free things for absolutely nothing? May it be virtual items or abstract ideas, this site offers a lot of different things. Yet there are members that have the audacity to abuse such a great community.

So if you look closely, in the point of view of a non-Filipino individual, is this the so called Filipinos; Abusive, ungrateful, thoughtless, good-for-nothing, free loading ingrates? A generous man like bloodredxxx giving them practically free everything, with his associates, the moderators, whom we all love to hate because of their adherence to the rules and enforcement of the rules. Can we call it pathetic that there are members who abuse this great service of these great men and women? Yes we love to abuse the system and yes we hate authority. Are we really that ungrateful?

So in reality, can we just equate that most Filipinos are ungrateful, free loading slobs? I don’t think most of us will take this sitting down but the worst is yet to come. What is worst is that we encourage if not do this behavior ourselves. When did becoming a spammer or someone with bazillion redundant and nonsensical posts become so attractive and awe-inspiring? Instead of working towards to becoming a model member, who strives constantly to make his posts prim and proper, intelligent, and noteworthy, why do we do the exact opposite? That’s like calling someone who is a waste of sperm and egg heroic or calling someone who is a waste of flesh to be a role model. Tell me, what’s so attractive with having thousands of posts that doesn’t contain anything intelligent, awe-inspiring, and noteworthy. When did this become model behavior?

Do you enjoy doing such acts? Do we really believe that these kinds of acts are the ones we should follow? Another thing is that the ever growing trend of,” the stupider your posts are, the better you are” is evident. As much as it pains me, the quality of the posts in TDP nowadays is deteriorating by the second. Is this the type of behavior that we want to exhibit? Is this how we wanted to be viewed? Are we proud to be labeled as such?

Now you will ask me, how will you act so that you may not be labeled as such. So that you will not sully the reputation of Filipinos and how will you become a better example of a Filipino? Simple, with adherence to the rules and reflection to what you are doing. You don’t necessarily have to be the next Jose Rizal or the next Apolinario Mabini. You just have to think if what you’re doing is right, are you really participating in discussions, are you really posting opinions, and/or posts that will help the discussion. Then ask yourself, am I being a Filipino or am I being a lousy, free-loading, ungrateful piece of trash?

Then you will ask me, by doing this, do we really exhibit a better image of the average Filipino? Of course, with this, we can stand with pride that we are people with dignity, honor, trust, integrity, and respect. Is it really hard to do this? Or would we actually accept the fact that we are not smart enough to grasp these concepts?

At the moment, can I be proud to say I am a Filipino when I represent myself in such a great place such as TDP? Not a chance, I don’t want to carry the burden that my peers and fellow Filipinos in TDP has put on my shoulders. But, if we will all try our best, maybe we can shoulder this responsibility. Yes, I said it, responsibility. Something that most members of this great community don’t have.

Will this change after you read this article? Who knows, it is up to you, not me. But for now, I thank the great bloodredxxx for his wonderful community, his associates for at least trying, and for those people who carry the same guilt as I do for the rest of Filipinos, we can hang on for a little longer I guess. Although, I know in the bitter end that I am not that stereotypical Filipino that most Filipinos exhibit. I have dignity, integrity, gratitude, and responsibility and I proudly show it. Thus, in the end, this is what it is.

TDP, a looking glass to the Filipino community.

P.S. If you are dense enough to not get it. Posting for the sake of items, level, titles, number of posts, and other ridiculous notions, that is the prime example of being an ingrate.

click here for link and gtfo

yan ang hirap sa ating mga pinoy na sobra ang kalayaan na minsan inaabuso na lang talaga kumbaga bakit ako kikilos e meron namang iba diyan na gagawa.. parang sa TDP "bakit ako susunod at pakialam ko kung mag down ang TDP e alam ko naman na bubuhayin naman ulit" yan ang mga mentality natin na mahirap na talagang alisin. pero there are still a few good people now a days at sana mapropagate nila ang lahi nila hindi yung mga mag isip eh paurong.

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ngayon lang uli ako nakabalik dito sa thread na nakapagpa-dugo ng ilong ko. game..

hshuka said:
Lets end up the argument.
I agree with your discussion that senseless and uninteresting is different.
But respect also my stand that once it is uninteresting, it brings no sense to me, therefore senseless.

touched na ang senseless and uninteresting. lemme say my take:

senseless got no sense whatsoever at all. sa tagalog, walang kwenta.

uninteresting may be sensible but it just didn't catch my interest. let's say, any political topic. yes, it's sensible, juicy at times and yet, i don't post in threads that tackle politics. i'm just not interested. though i'm not a complete idiot with the subject, i just don't feel like posting because i will have to deal with other posters' values and beliefs which is very tiring to discuss and ends up nowhere.

sensya na medyo super late na yung sagot ko. parang nov 2007 pa yung sinagot kong post

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@urahara

is it really necessary to use dimwitted to make a point?
If others (and i don't exclude myself) don't want to participate in discussions most of the time do not call them lousy, free-loading, ungrateful piece of trash... . . Who knows maybe they just don't feel like it at that time and just want to post on a thread with a title"how do you feel today."
Don't get me wrong I know you just want tdp to improve but surely there are nicer ways to say it, right?

feroza said:
touched na ang senseless and uninteresting. lemme say my take:

senseless got no sense whatsoever at all. sa tagalog, walang kwenta.

uninteresting may be sensible but it just didn't catch my interest. let's say, any political topic. yes, it's sensible, juicy at times and yet, i don't post in threads that tackle politics. i'm just not interested. though i'm not a complete idiot with the subject, i just don't feel like posting because i will have to deal with other posters' values and beliefs which is very tiring to discuss and ends up nowhere.

you already quoted by answer sir.

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I don’t believe in the possibility of redemption after my life, but the necessity of compassion in my life.

so, after almost one year, i am posting here again. (in hope to revive a sensible thread as well)

in Philippine elections, the losers always cry that they have been cheated. they would file endless appeals and even if it drag 2 years, they would carry on even if the disputed post has only a 3 year term.

in TDP HS elections, as happened before, one party would say that the other party cheated using clone voting. the campaign managers and supporters would bicker at one another even if the results have been decided and the Q&A portion has started. a thread was even created during one of the HS campaigns. it actually led to suspension of HS for a long period of time.

in Philippine news, magigising ka araw araw sa pare-parehong balita. patayan, nakawan, away ng mga pulitiko at kung ano ano pa. basta konting konti lang ang magandang balita hindi katulad dati, makakarinig ka pa ng balita na makakapag pagaan ng loob mo. ngayon, parang konting konti na lang. parang si manny pacquiao na lang ang nababalita na medyo maganda. ang masakit pa nun, hindi lahat ng balita tungkol sa kanya, maganda.

sa TDP, araw araw pag-log in mo, pare-parehong thread ang makikita mo. mga tipo ng mga threads na hindi masyado kailangan pag-isipan. dati, marami rami pang threads na nakakadugo ng ilong. ngayon, parang wala na.

sa ngayon, katulad ng sa totoong buhay, nangangarap tayo (o kaming mga umabot sa mas masayang araw ng TDP) na bumalik kahit papano ang panahong lumipas. napapatanong din tayo (o kami ulet) kung may pag-asa pa bang mangyari yun.

tama, sa tingin ko, nagre-reflect sa TDP ang tunay na buhay nating mga pinoy.

pero kahit ano't ano pa man, saludo pa rin ako sa lahat ng taong patuloy na bumubuhay sa online community na tinatambayan nating lahat. kayo!

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i don't like saying 'i told you so' because i hate it when i'm right